MW2 no dedicated servers.

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  1. Ozbrat

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    http://games.on.net/article/7196/Modern_Warfare_2_downgrade_sparks_World_War_III

    PC gamers have reacted with horror to Infinity Ward's decision to cut mod and private server support from Modern Warfare 2, and now DICE has entered the fray.

    The executive producer for the Battlefield series has vowed on his Twitter that DICE will continue to back hard-core PC gamers the hilt: "Dedicated servers FTW. What ever secures a better online experience is a given for us."

    And from Infinity Ward: silence.

    Elsewhere, the fallout is still settling from IW's bombshell. Many have sworn to cancel their pre-orders of Modern Warfare 2; many more have called this fiasco the death of competitive gaming as we know it.

    While unlikely to sway the Call of Duty developer, an online petition has started calling on IW management to reconsider their decision, and has already shot to over 36,000 signatures.

    The case made by the petition is succinct: "Get Infinity Ward to review their decision not to allow fully dedicated servers for their forthcoming game release CoD:MW2. Remember that this Call of Duty was made popular by PC Gamers who have supported the series throughout."

    To listen to the podcast where Rob Bowling broke the news, click here. Follow through to the end, and you'll witness a train wreck in slow motion. The sense of despair in the hosts' voices is unmistakeable, as they openly compare this perceived betrayal to both the assassination of JFK and the Hindenburg disaster: "Oh, the humanity!"

    Yesterday's news story covering the downgrading of Modern Warfare 2 has sparked nigh on 300 comments -- you can join the discussion here.
     
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    Magic :D

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FKty5Kpf4w"]YouTube - Hitler rants about the lack of dedicated servers on Modern Warfare 2[/ame]
     
  3. Ozbrat

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    I agree
     
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    LOL... Love the tube clip

    PC users get fucked in the arse again....you'd think we'd be used to it by now
     
  5. Ozbrat

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    Infinity Ward responds - and the news is not good

    Infinity Ward responds - and the news is not good

    http://games.on.net/article/7215/Infinity_Ward_responds_-_and_the_news_is_not_good


    Infinity Ward has been surprisingly quiet since the storm of brown smelly stuff that arose when their community manager announced no mod or dedicated server support in Modern Warfare 2 on the weekend. Four days and one hundred thousand signatures on a petition later, and the heads of Infinity Ward have finally spoken about their controversial decision.
    According to gameinformer.com, Jason West, (COO of Infinity Ward) believes this strategy will remove "all of the cheaters, the insular communities and huge skill level disparities that the original game's community fractured into." Mr West was quoted as saying "We're just prioritizing the player experience above the modders and the tuners. We thought maybe it would be cool if the fans could play the game."


    Piracy was speculated to be a major reason behind the move to an Infinity Ward-controlled ecosystem, but this has since been downplayed. Studio Head Vince Zampella claimed during the interview that "Steam stuff helps with the piracy. I don't know that the matchmaking stuff does." He then goes on to blame much of the recent outburst on those who profit from the existing client/server model, "It's a little dubious. Some of the people complaining are complaining with their pocketbook."

    Both IW staff reportedly reiterated to gameinformer.com that these changes will mean very little to the casual to moderate fans, and even hardcore fans will still be able host private games for training and matches. They claim the loss of modding will only be noticed by a small proportion of the Modern Warfare 2 playerbase, while the benefits will be felt by the majority.

    Based on these replies, it sounds that even if they were served with a petition incorporating half of the human population, Infinity Ward is sticking to its guns and will not backtrack to release a dedicated server or mod support. It's a very interesting situation for us at games.on.net, as we run dozens of Modern Warfare servers, at no charge to the Aussie gaming public. It's also very interesting for Australian gamers and those in countries with a smaller playerbase than the US or Europe. As we've seen time and time again with Xbox Live matchmaking, this kind of matchmaking generally doesn't work, instead trying to place Aussie gamers into overseas games. The result are laggy connections akin to playing on dial-up. We'll be testing the bejeezus out the game when it lands in Australia on the 10th of November, with a full PC multiplayer review heading to games.on.net soon. Until then, let the speculation and rumour commence!

    For the full interview, head over to gameinformer.com.
     
  6. Hicks
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    Again they think they are helping the Fans? What bullshit is this, really. Being someone who has purchased ALL CoD games for the PC and loved them all, am I not considered a Fan? Because I like to play on Clan servers or Public servers that may be default settings am I not considered a Fan? So for me to prove I am a fan I need to buy MW2, play on the match making service and more than likely get put into a game with whining 14 year olds in the US who proceed to try and rip the piss out of Aussies who are stuck "lagging" up their game...

    Sorry, but unless IW bring out dedicated servers, they can stick this game fair up their arse, also my boss has canceled any order for MW2 on the PC and is only getting the XBox version which is a central purchase order.
     
  7. TJet

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    This is nothing but spin doctor bs. It's all about controlling the game and creating a system that allows them to make money off custom maps etc.
     
  8. Ozbrat

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    Detailed IWNET info for Modern Warfare 2

    Detailed IWNET info for Modern Warfare 2

    http://games.on.net/article/7216/Detailed_IWNET_info_for_Modern_Warfare_2


    Robert Bowling, Community Manager at Infinity Ward and bearer of bad news, has made a lengthy post on his personal blog. Within he explains exactly what the new IWNET means for matchmaking regarding Ping, playlists, private matches, parties and friends, and hack-free gaming. Read on for the full transcription.

    The following is the full post from Mr Bowling's blog, which can also be viewed at its original location.

    I recently broke news on a PC community member’s podcast that Modern Warfare 2 would be introducing a completely new backend infastructure called IWNET that would allow matchmaking for multiplayer games on PC. The news, by default, means no more browsing through a Server List for a server with the settings / ping you want among other things, and sent shockwaves through the hardcore PC community, leading to many more questions than answers as to ‘HOW’ this would work, and if it would really be better for the PC community as a whole.

    Questions, assumptions, and speculation I intend to dispel.

    Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 is actually the biggest investment Infinity Ward has ever made into the PC version of our games. It’s also the most feature-rich PC version we’ve ever made. IWNET takes the benefits of dedicated servers and allows them to be utilized and accessed by every player, out of the box, while removing the barrier to entry for players unaware of how to maintain a server on their own.

    How does it do this?

    Matchmaking & Smoother Gameplay: When you want to player a multiplayer game on PC, in the past. You’d have to scroll through a Server Browser which listed every available server which was hosted by individual server admins. Each had their own private rules, mods, or ways of playing the game. Most players would also use the server browser to find just the best quality game (based on PING). With IWNET matchmaking, it takes all that into account for you. All you have to do is select the playlist (pre-set gametypes with custom rules) that fits the style of play you are in the mood for. When you do, it will automatically find you a game with the best performance, ping, and preferences based on your location and individual connection as well as matching you with players of your same SKILL. So you’re always guaranteed the best game performance for where you are and what connection you’re playing on as well as an equal game with other players of your same skill level, not rank, but skill level. It doesn’t mean you’ll just be thrown into a random game! It will put you in the game that will give you the smoothest gameplay possible without you having to manually find a server with the best ping.

    Playlists and Private Matches: As I described above, Playlists are pre-set game modes and gametypes for public games. If you just want to jump into a public game of Search and Destroy or Hardcore Search and Destroy and you don’t care about fully customizing it, then you can utilize playlists to do that quickly for you. However, say you’re in a clan and you want to play a Clan match with another team, or you want to practice for an upcoming tournament that has specific rules in a private game. Then you can start a Private Match (which is essentially like running your own private server) where you have complete control over the rules, who can join, boot players you don’t want, and essentially control the entire game or tweak it to your liking. Once the rules are set, you can invite the other team in or just start it up with your clan to practice with the custom rules before the match. This now allows you to play custom games out of the box without the need to install mods, find a modded server with the rules you like, or worry about not being in control of the match.

    Party System and Friendslist: Modern Warfare 2 on PC also makes it much easier if you want to party up with your friends, or again, with your clan for a match. You can utilize the friendslist to see when your friends are online, and invite them to your Party. A Party allows you to move from game to game as a group. It’s great for clan matches, because you can party of with your clan and move from public game to public game together. Or if you’re doing a scrim, party up and invite the other clan (who is in a party) and they’ll all join at once. Set up a private match together and play. It makes setting up scrims or games with friends easier and hassle free.

    Cheat / Hack Free Games: The biggest benefit of using IWnet by far is the fact that you don’t have to worry about joining a server full of aim-bots, wallhacks, or cheaters. Or relying on the server admin of the server to constantly be monitoring, banning, and policing it. Modern Warfare 2 on PC allows us to control the quality of the game much more than ever before as well as utilizing the VAC (Valve-Anti-Cheat) system to keep games clean of hackers and cheaters.

    All in all, IWNET adds a load of new features that the PC version of our games have never had before and allows us an infrastructure to continue to update and improve on the game post-launch.​

    It all sounds wonderful and convenient and full of rainbow-coloured unicorns. Just like Xbox Live did. Unfortunately, as we've seen with Xbox Live, these peer to peer models generally fail to actually work in countries smaller than the US. November the 10th can't come soon enough...
     
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    VAC is good but not the be-all and end-all in preventing Hackers...Just ask the CSS players....just sounds like more spin to Me...and if there IWKNOB falls through or is broken, what then, MMO type delays and server maintenance. You're left with an unplayable MP game....As I've stated...I think I'll let this one go
     
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    so what this runs from your computer? if so wouldn't that mean running from your own internet service? so for those of us who have slower connections won't be able to run a server because of the lag? he hasn't answered much :confused: just a lot of spin there...
     
  11. Ozbrat

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    So ISP's that charge for uploads, can see a lot of people getting shaped.

    Might work great in countries that have fibre everywhere, no d/l or upload caps, can't see it working too well in 3rd world internet countries like Aust or NZ
     
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    I agree with Welshy, I will give this one a miss, at least for a month or 2 after release just to see how much manure sticks to the orbital air conditioner.
     
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    I hope the companies profits spiral downward, hugest brain fart in gaming this year.

    I was tempted to buy as most people i know were, but i know they won't now and i am definately not purchasing something based on matchmaking.

    It is the most frustrating piece of shit i ever ever heard as an advance in multi player gaming.
     
  14. Hossy!

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    being modern warfare i never was interested in it much at all, so much so that buying it was never on my mind untill waaaayyy down the track, this stuff with no dedicated servers has just cemented that idea down firmly now and unless there is a real hype about it after release and it turns out to be ok then i may think about it but until then as they say "f**k you IW" lol
     
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    IW says that gameplay concerns for the majority of MW2 players are the overriding reasons for the decision. Zampella downplays the obvious piracy prevention angle (IW has cited numbers of people online playing illegal copies of Modern Warfare up to 60 percent).

    I find this hard to believe 60% of all people playing Call of Duty 4 - Modern Warfare are playing on servers with Pirate copy of the game..

    BullFuckenShit
     
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    Yeh Biggest load of BS
     
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    Amen to both.
     
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    Well said Freddy, I think that sums up how all of us feel about IW at the moment.
     
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    I am just still in shock that the pricks are forgetting about who made them rich in the first place !!! PC GAMERS U TARDS
     
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